New Petition on No 10 Downing Street Petition Site

[ke]

Hi All,
I have put a new petition on the No 10 Downing Street petition site, the link is at:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/LGO-Haringey/

Those who agree with it please sign up.

[Ann]

I will sign as soon as possible but I can't access my emails today so my name may not show up until I can verify my signature. One slight problem with the wording, the 115 complaints were about social services not just child protection. Many of them may have been about other issues.

[Mrs Norton]

Have just signed

[shadow]

Done, but I would add after

Those who agree with it please sign up.

Then tell your friends, family and neighbours.

PLEASE NOTE As far as I am aware there is no age limit so children can also sign.

Thomas

[shadow]

PS the only restriction is a different email address per signature.

If anyone is stuck for another email address, so additional family member or friends can sign let me know and I can provide a temp email address forwarded to your own.

Thomas

[Ann]

Managed to access my emails. Clicked to verify my signature on the petition. Saw my name on a list but it's still not showing up on the official list. Think there must be a time delay between verifying and name appearing on the official list. Hope it show up soon.

[Chris Close]

have just signed...............little good it will do anyone.

[shadow]

have just signed...............little good it will do anyone.

I think you've identified why so few people have ever bothered to sign our petitions or do anything proactive to rid us of the LGO . The majority have a defeatist attitude and just can't be bothered. Good job Gary didn't have that mindset in 2003 when he set up Ombudsmanwatch! Or indeed any of the other proactive supporters we've had since.

Thomas

[the tenants eye]

I have just signed this and I just think it's another waste of time!

I have complained repeatedly about the LGO and after about 10 letters got a letter from Mr Brown saying - "I'll get the Department to explain!"

What a sick joke!

[lilian]

I previously made a request on the boards for information relating to supporters who have contacted MP's about the LGO - this information will greatly help the steering group to have at hand such information.

Thanks to all who couldn't be bothered to respond to my request.

[the tenants eye]

We can't always be on the ball and respond to the evil's of the L.G.O. you know I feel sick on a daily basis because LGO let off two housing officers who in the last 3 years have wrecked my life!

So if you need me to do anything or take part in anything then please give me full details now so I can focus my pain on doing something about these conmen the LGO!

Thank you. Michael Mac

[ke]

We are halfway there with the petition. Those who have not yet signed but agree with the petition, please sign up

[shadow]

Keith

Message from Trevor. He tried to sign the petition again but had no luck. He is still waiting for an explanation as to why his name was removed. Although I think we know why. Have you noted that others have added comments after their names on various petitions. Must be an LGO thing

Thomas

[Chris Close]

I said I did this a couple of days ago, which I did but I did not get the acknowledgement email to confirm my consent so what is going on?

[shadow]

Chris your name is on the petition.

What we are talking about is names that have been removed from the petition without the consent of the person who signed. Including blocking those names from signing again.

Thomas

[ke]

There can be no doubt that this petition is getting to the LGO. However, I suspect that Trevor, his campaign and his blog, is getting to them even more, hence his removal from the petition. It will be interesting to see why his name and comment has been removed.
By the way, well done Trevor!

[ke]

It is interesting that yesterday there were 105 signatures on the petition, today there are 103.
Mrs Norton signed the day before yesterday but her name is not yet on it, as are not other names that I know have signed.
Anyone know what is going on?

[shc]

The LGO has identified that about 11 of their findings (LS and MI) against Council's over the last 10 years have involved a death..

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/lgo_compliance

Clarification has been requested on the complaints where the LGO did not agree an LS with a Council or issue a finding of MI

[shc]

http://itn.co.uk/news/98d743bde1485e536 ... 99002.html

Ms GILBERT (Redmond's friend) has identified that about three children a week die as a result of abuse..

that must be at least partly due to the LGO determining what maladministration is..

[Ann]

An FOI request to the Prime Ministers office about petitions. [Not one of ours]

How many petitions has resulted in definite action by the Prime Minister's office?

We do not hold the information in the format requested.

As Medusa would no doubt agree, their answer implies that they have the answer but want an excuse to keep it to themselves. Not in the format requested! Just a shame the person who submitted the question didn't follow it up with another request.

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/6 ... e.pdf.html

[Ann]

Baby P Petition 20,000 signatures delivered by hand started at MILBANK!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 337009.ece

[shadow]

Keith it would be wise to put a link to your petition as a response to the Times article linked above.

Thomas

[shc]

it might also be an idea to join facebook

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=35190508564

[shadow]

Already done.

Between Climbie and Baby P 115 complaints were submitted to the Local Government Ombudsman about child protection, Social Services, Haringey Council. They only reported 1 as maladministration. 20 were buried as a local settlement. That allows the Council to avoid a finding of maladministration if they agree to pay the complainant a paltry settlement. Average settlement about £600. Please sign this petition is you think something is rotten in the system of administrative justice dispensed by the Local Government Ombudsman.

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/LGO-Haringey/

But Keith may want to add a few words as the petition creator

Thomas

[shadow]

Posted on behalf of Trevor

Back on the petition but don't know how long before it's removed again.

[shc]

Casebook Children and young people

http://www.lgo.org.uk/publications.htm#section9

Child protection
What do councils do?

If social services have reason to believe that somebody under the age of 18 in their area is suffering or is likely to suffer significant harm, then they have a duty to investigate this. ‘Significant harm’ can mean physical or emotional or sexual abuse or neglect, or anything else that might damage a child’s health or development.

Social services and other bodies like the NHS and the police in their areas have procedures which they all agree to follow if they think children are at risk of being harmed. The Government has issued guidance which emphasises how important it is for all these different bodies to share information and work well together to ensure that children and young people are protected from harm.

What the Ombudsmen can do

We can look into:

• how quickly social services respond when they get reports that a child has been harmed or is at risk of being harmed;
• whether they investigate these reports properly, get information from the right people and make their decisions in the proper way;
• how they go about planning any help and support that they need to provide to stop a child coming to harm; or
• the action which they actually take.

We can’t investigate what the police or health service staff do when they are involved in child protection cases, but we can look at how well social services have communicated with them and what social services do with the information they get from them and other people.

And we can’t look at anything that happens in court or change any decisions the courts make.

[shadow]

This info was already available on the Social Services and Baby P thread.

http://www.amv3.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1046

Thomas

[shc]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/template/v- ... le=1922794

The fact that Baby P was allowed to die despite 60 visits
from Haringey Social Services is a national disgrace.

I call on Beverley Hughes, the Children's Minister, and Ed Balls, the Education Secretary, to ensure that those responsible are removed from their positions immediately.

I also demand that the doctor and health visitor involved with Baby P, Dr Sabah Al-Zayyat and Paulette Thomas, should also lose their jobs.

I call on the General Medical Council to ensure that they do.

Now when is Ed Balls going to sort out the LGO...

[shadow]

We need more people pushing Keith's petition. At every opportunity please provide a link to Keith's petition. Responding to on-line newspaper articles is one method as is Facebook. One Baby P group on Facebook has nearly a quarter of a million members. Just imagine if only one percent of those also signed Keith's petition. If you or a friend are members of Facebook please do your bit.

Thomas

[shadow]

Join Facebook here and help spread the word.

http://en-gb.facebook.com/people/Todd-Thomas/1005854791

Thomas

[ke]

Only 38 signatures needed by 26 Jan 09 to get a Government response. If those of you who have not yet signed, please do, and those who have signed, get your friends and family to sign please (provided of course that you agree with the petition). A response fron the Government is essential.
Happy New Year one and all, save for the LGO, who hopefully we will bury this year!

[shc]

200 signatures...

[ke]

Well done everyone. I now look forward to a positive response and perhaps anothe parliamentary question by Eric Pickles!

[ke]

This petition finishes at midnight tonight. Currently there are 247 signatures on it so we will get a response - not bad for a two month timescale. Anyone who has not yet signed please do so before midnight.

[ke]

I meant to also say the link is at the top of this page. well done everyone who has signed

[ABH]

Like the other petitions it's just a pity it didn't catch the public's imagination and gather momentum. Still not too bad for a short run. 248 total.

[the tenants eye]

what's happened to this petition have we got a reply yet?

Michael Mac

I wonder why we have to wait so long! However we will just get a bog standard reply that it had nothing to do with the LGO about Baby P!

Clarkson is right Brown is an idiot!

[ke]

The delay is most probably because the Baby 'P' situation is still in the public mind, hence the short two month timescale on the petition, the Government knows the press are watching this one and have to be careful. The other reason is that there are two departments involved that are currently at war with each other, the Department of Communities and Local Government, which would push out the usual cover up for LGO response, except for the fact that it will now have to be agreed by Ed Ball's Children's Department - run by an ambitious politician who could spike his ambitions if he gets this wrong and the media jump on to it. Until an agreed response is available we will have to wait.

[shadow]

It is unrealistic to expect a response so soon.

Thomas